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2011 年全国五子棋公开赛在紧张的气氛中落下了帷幕，应该说，密集的轮次，紧张的用时对所有参赛选手和裁判以及竞赛承办方都是一个严峻的考验。还好，我们顺利的完成了。本人作为本次比赛的参与者想从一些角度谈一点对本次比赛以及部分比赛制度的分析和看法。如有不正确的地方，请大家只当饭后休闲，找个乐吧。

首先，作为裁判，我认为本次比赛最大的问题在于用时制度。

包干制已经在全国团体赛和个人赛中停用了，本次比赛出于整体时间及比赛强度的考虑，恢复了使用，但是在使用中再次发现了其存在的明显问题，不止一个选手在非必败的局面下因超时被判负，当然，我承认用时的技术也是比赛技术的一个组成部分，但是超时的判负毕竟不是对局技术的体现，

而且在本次比赛薛文曦对曾方的对局中，双方剩余时间都不足20秒的时候，由于棋手抢表的紧张，发生了选手拿子结果掉落在棋盘上导致盘面发生变化的情况，本人被迫第一次停钟，要求双方整理核对局面，并进行确认，随后，在双方剩余时间都不足5秒时，有发生了由于选手追求落子速度导致盘面多颗棋子位置发生移动（其中包括冲四挡点上的子），本人被迫第二次停钟要求双方恢复局面并确认。应该说，两次停钟对双方的抢表造成了一定的影响，至少节奏被打乱，但是如果不停钟恢复局面，可能导致更大问题出现。

在本次比赛中应为使用包干制，导致5分钟时间内不记录，但是往往局面出现问题的时候就发生在双方都不足5分钟甚至一方只剩几十秒的时候，因为大家在抢表。此时双方都没有对局记录可查，那么局面的混乱将可能出现无法恢复的情况（一旦混乱必须双方复盘，并确认，否则比赛将无法继续）而此时如果双方的无记录招法过多，势必可能出现复盘错误，那么不

每人各150分钟包干，之后每手棋读60″，看看够不够用

抓住时机，拍上!

to Aivo:

“零迟到”maybe we can call it "Zero late" it means: When the main referee tell the player game is start, the player mast stay on there seat if not his game is lost.

and from 2011.5.1 the chinese government requires smoking is forbidden in all public places ! So in our game ,all people either the players or the referees and other peoples who are in the Competition area,have to observe this rules

［此帖子已被 我是裁判 在 2011-6-7 20:29:12 编辑过］

［ 掌棋宣传员 于 2011-6-7 21:01:09 时花20金币送鲜花一朵］

［ 掌棋宣传员 于 2011-6-7 21:01:10 时花20金币送鲜花一朵］

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［ 欧艾沃 于 2011-6-7 21:17:24 时花20金币送鲜花一朵］

It's not our style... It is different, not only in the match, but also in the culture.

Actually, I think these strict rule is good, which makes the match solemn.

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原文由 欧艾沃 发表于 2011-6-7 21:28:17 :
哎呀，非常严格。问题是，在RIF锦标赛，我们开始用“60分钟迟到”，现在随便多长时间迟到，没问题。还有，比赛的时候，棋手应该有机会去吸烟。还有，棋手可以看别的棋，可以自由移动。

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为了五子棋的健康发展，这些规则是有必要的。

呵呵， 任何东西传到中国后， 都会被进化地

it says, it's my place, i make the call.

［此帖子已被 踵酃 在 2011-6-7 22:35:45 编辑过］

如果在中国组织RIF锦标赛，应该是RIF决定的规则。这不是问题。

例如：在中国举办的世界智力运动会，就都是按照相关国际组织的规则。国内赛则可能使用中国规则。

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原文由 欧艾沃 发表于 2011-6-7 22:31:45 :
我知道。可是，如果在中国组织RIF锦标赛，应该是RIF决定的法则。

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Actually... all of the most important tournaments in China are not organized by RIFCHINA.

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原文由 欧艾沃 发表于 2011-6-7 23:05:20 :
这样的想一想有点奇怪。。。我同意跟“零迟到”法则可是我真的不明白为什么我棋的时候不可以自由移动。在你们的比赛现在只可以去卫生间吗？可能在未来这个也不行。。。“为了五子棋的健康发展，这些规则是有必要的。”我觉得不能说这样。五子棋不是只在中国下的。我觉得只跟中国一样严格的国家可以决定这样。我们在RIF一起决定，一起想一想好的办法，想找到好的法则，规则等等。当然好不容易可是结果是都人同意。

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Haha... Answering a call of nature is permitted of course.

Surely your view is right. When I playedin TWC last year, I would never say, "Hey! You! Sit down or I'll call the referee!" because of the respect to international tradition. Correspondingly, the match in China should obey the rules in this country, naturally. People won't let you walk free in the room, even you are a foreigner and have your own habits. You knew it, right?

TO Aivo:

Do you know ,in 2008 there are a big games in China for mind sport named WMSG （word mind sports games）。More than 4000 playersfrom 170 countrys come to China.In this games there are 5 items ：Chess，Draughts,Bridge,Go,Chinese chess.All this games are the mumbers of theInternational Olympic Committee (IOC)or International Sports Federations (ISF）or Word Mind Sport Association.

In the WMSG in 2008 smoking is forbiddin inall items .And I also tell you that from 2011.5.1 the chinesegovernment requires smoking is forbidden in all public places ! So in ourgame ,all people either the players or the referees and other peopleswho are in the Competition area,have to observe this rules.

Just as you said ,when the player isplaying he (or she) shoud not to move expect to WC or take water or have a rest.Because in chinese games there so many players(the biggest game is more than170 players) ,if all players walk around the other player,it will interference to others .And in chinese renju rules player mustleave the seat by the referees agreed .Maybe it is different with RIF rules , butI think the chinese rules is good because in the games of the playera task is to get their own game not others,if theywant to know other games they may look for the notion after their gamefinished.

oh, Avio, i just figure out you actually concern about the smoking policy

Don't you not worry about it! it's in china, the law is there, it just hang on the wall.

let me give you a piece advice, just pretent you don't know about it, foreigners are allowing to play the trick.

play smart, the problem is not the law, it's the people who enforce the law, pay them little tips if you like.  

I will not take any responsibilities of what i said above.

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原文由 海月 发表于 2011-6-9 11:25:29 :
有没有人翻译一下

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5000论坛金币翻译费用， 先过3000金币， 要是满意翻译成果在付清余下。

是的,我当然知道关于2008年的头脑体育游戏。我也听说有一个规律,迟到,指一种自动损失(我认为这是一个好规则)。然而,已经在2008年禁止抽烟,我很惊讶。我能读懂它现在既然新法律被中国人所接受。无论如何,在哪里可以抽烟的人呢?在接下来的一年,世界冠军的球队将在中国召开,北京。我不太清楚的比赛大厅的确切位置,但让只是说的赛事将会在一家酒店举行的。在旅馆里有什么地方是允许吸烟的地方吗?我问的是,因为即使在这样一个小的情形,真是太好了,事先了解情况。例如,我应该怎么告诉中村,他不能吸烟在比赛中,在比赛结束后等,因为它是被禁止的。

一分钱一分货， 嘿嘿

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原文由 欧艾沃 发表于 2011-6-9 3:15:15 :
   Yes, of course I know about the 2008 Mind Sport Games. I had also heard that there was a rule that being late means an automatic loss (I think this is a good rule). However, that already in 2008 smoking was not allowed, I am quite surprised. I can understand it now since the new law was accepted in China. Anyway, where can people smoke then? Next year, the Team World Championship will be held in China, Beijing. I am not sure about the exact location of the tournament hall but let just say that the tournament will be held in a hotel. Are there any places in hotels where smoking is allowed? I am asking because even in such a small case, it is good to know the situation beforehand. For example, how am I supposed to tell Nakamura that he cannot smoke during the game, after the game etc. because it is prohibited.

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A room for smoking is easily set. You are just not allowed to smoke near the board.

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